Comments on: The Page/Johnson Incident: You Make The Call http://cyclocosm.com/2009/10/the-pagejohnson-incident-you-make-the-call/ Pro Cycling News, Commentary and Special Features Fri, 18 May 2012 13:20:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dave http://cyclocosm.com/2009/10/the-pagejohnson-incident-you-make-the-call/comment-page-1/#comment-13793 Dave Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:25:00 +0000 http://cyclocosm.com/?p=2191#comment-13793 @cosmo or waved @cosmo or waved

]]> By: Jon Shea http://cyclocosm.com/2009/10/the-pagejohnson-incident-you-make-the-call/comment-page-1/#comment-13756 Jon Shea Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:42:10 +0000 http://cyclocosm.com/?p=2191#comment-13756 I see the anti-TJ argument now. From behind he pointed it right for the deep sand to get around Page on the inside, and then he did a hockey stop in front of Page to get back on line. If you imagine that the deep sand is a wall or off-course then I think most people would agree that TJ rode an illegitimate line. You can’t reasonably cut someone off for the sake of riding straight into a wall. Of course the sand wasn’t a wall, but it might as well have been. In this light I’m pretty sympathetic to Page. That was a dick move on TJ’s part. I see the anti-TJ argument now. From behind he pointed it right for the deep sand to get around Page on the inside, and then he did a hockey stop in front of Page to get back on line.

If you imagine that the deep sand is a wall or off-course then I think most people would agree that TJ rode an illegitimate line. You can’t reasonably cut someone off for the sake of riding straight into a wall. Of course the sand wasn’t a wall, but it might as well have been.

In this light I’m pretty sympathetic to Page. That was a dick move on TJ’s part.

]]> By: cosmo http://cyclocosm.com/2009/10/the-pagejohnson-incident-you-make-the-call/comment-page-1/#comment-13750 cosmo Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:10:15 +0000 http://cyclocosm.com/?p=2191#comment-13750 I think this needs to be white-boarded :) I think this needs to be white-boarded :)

]]> By: Colin R http://cyclocosm.com/2009/10/the-pagejohnson-incident-you-make-the-call/comment-page-1/#comment-13749 Colin R Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:58:07 +0000 http://cyclocosm.com/?p=2191#comment-13749 @cosmo the approach to the sand starts well before the video starts. matt, zank, and kenny were all watching it, if they say TJ divebombed it at the last minute i believe them. @cosmo the approach to the sand starts well before the video starts. matt, zank, and kenny were all watching it, if they say TJ divebombed it at the last minute i believe them.

]]> By: cosmo http://cyclocosm.com/2009/10/the-pagejohnson-incident-you-make-the-call/comment-page-1/#comment-13748 cosmo Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:51:30 +0000 http://cyclocosm.com/?p=2191#comment-13748 "The video doesn't show that Page was leading that group on the approach to the pit... it looks like TJ was first wheel but I assure you he wasn't" I'm inclined to go with the video here. TJ is ahead from the first moment they're both visible. It looks like TJ might have just passed JP seconds before, but as they set up for the corner into the sand, TJ is clearly in front. Not only that, but as they set up, JP is outside of TJ relative to the turn. I don't really see, given the video, how there's room for debate on either of those points. “The video doesn’t show that Page was leading that group on the approach to the pit… it looks like TJ was first wheel but I assure you he wasn’t”

I’m inclined to go with the video here. TJ is ahead from the first moment they’re both visible. It looks like TJ might have just passed JP seconds before, but as they set up for the corner into the sand, TJ is clearly in front.

Not only that, but as they set up, JP is outside of TJ relative to the turn.

I don’t really see, given the video, how there’s room for debate on either of those points.

]]> By: Colin R http://cyclocosm.com/2009/10/the-pagejohnson-incident-you-make-the-call/comment-page-1/#comment-13747 Colin R Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:35:26 +0000 http://cyclocosm.com/?p=2191#comment-13747 @dave myette says page was leading: http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showpost.php?p=2418818&postcount=20 @dave myette says page was leading: http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showpost.php?p=2418818&postcount=20

]]> By: Dave http://cyclocosm.com/2009/10/the-pagejohnson-incident-you-make-the-call/comment-page-1/#comment-13745 Dave Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:07:31 +0000 http://cyclocosm.com/?p=2191#comment-13745 @Colin, yeah that's what I remember eniwai... could be wrong though. @Colin, yeah that’s what I remember eniwai… could be wrong though.

]]> By: Jon Shea http://cyclocosm.com/2009/10/the-pagejohnson-incident-you-make-the-call/comment-page-1/#comment-13744 Jon Shea Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:04:52 +0000 http://cyclocosm.com/?p=2191#comment-13744 Wait, there was sun on Sunday? Did I pick the wrong day or what? I’m with Colin on this. If there’s only one reasonable line then you can’t pull your front wheel even with someone’s back wheel and pretend like you’ve staked a claim to that line. If you want to get by on the inside you’ve really got to get your hips even with their hips before the apex. Wait, there was sun on Sunday? Did I pick the wrong day or what?

I’m with Colin on this. If there’s only one reasonable line then you can’t pull your front wheel even with someone’s back wheel and pretend like you’ve staked a claim to that line. If you want to get by on the inside you’ve really got to get your hips even with their hips before the apex.

]]> By: cosmo http://cyclocosm.com/2009/10/the-pagejohnson-incident-you-make-the-call/comment-page-1/#comment-13741 cosmo Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:38:46 +0000 http://cyclocosm.com/?p=2191#comment-13741 @Colin That was my first impression, too. But I'm also pretty accustomed to seeing people try passes like that. @Colin That was my first impression, too. But I’m also pretty accustomed to seeing people try passes like that.

]]> By: Colin R http://cyclocosm.com/2009/10/the-pagejohnson-incident-you-make-the-call/comment-page-1/#comment-13740 Colin R Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:34:15 +0000 http://cyclocosm.com/?p=2191#comment-13740 @Dave wow, really? looks to me like TJ is carrying a *lot* more speed and trying to make the corner, hence the leg out and wheel slide. I assumed he had just passed. if he was in front the whole time, then why the heck was JP overlapping wheels on the corner? @Dave wow, really? looks to me like TJ is carrying a *lot* more speed and trying to make the corner, hence the leg out and wheel slide. I assumed he had just passed. if he was in front the whole time, then why the heck was JP overlapping wheels on the corner?

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